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Competition Tribunal rejects TREB’s Constitutional challenge

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Guest | 12 Sep 2012, 03:15 PM Agree 0
  • Dan Goldsmith | 13 Sep 2012, 04:45 PM Agree 0
    Way to go TREB!
    I am so glad TREB is on the ball!!
  • David Pylyp | 13 Sep 2012, 04:50 PM Agree 0
    Consumers should have the right to see unfiltered PURE results not Just what is shown to them. If you ask for a Building or street history You should receive all the available data.

    That is exactly why I want the VOWs to be allowed.

    David Pylyp
    Living in Toronto
  • Lola Bradfield | 13 Sep 2012, 06:01 PM Agree 0
    David, there are other sources to find your so called "PURE" information. People that are not members of the board and/or do not qualify to be, and/or choose to not abide by the rules of the board , should get off their lazy behinds, and use other sources, to do their do diligence in order to provide this service to their clients, instead of trying to obtain it from a source that is paid for and regulated by a group of people that have a constitutional right to do so and choose their membership which they obviously do not belong to.
  • alan | 13 Sep 2012, 06:14 PM Agree 0
    The Central Bank of Canada is owned by a family that collects interest on our mortgages and income taxes to the tune of 40% of everything we buy. Rothschilds ordered the takeover of CREA by one of his minions.
  • Thilo Biedermann | 13 Sep 2012, 06:36 PM Agree 0
    The issue is really about privacy. How would you like to get your personal, financial and your property value information being able to be accessed by everybody. Here it could, if it get's opened to almost the public. Depending on the listing, the listing might state the mortgage details for the property and so on.
    Another issue is, that the MLS is made available to the public by the realtors (their organizations), which is designed accordingly, that personal information is secure, however the realtor systems, which is the property of the members of the individual real estate boards has the personal information available, therefore it must be secured, by availability only to its members, that there is no misuse of personal data and information.
  • Rick Allenberg | 13 Sep 2012, 06:53 PM Agree 0
    MLS belongs to Realtors. What part of trademark don't you get? Are we a socialist country that steal patents and trademarks?
    I hope TREB fights this all the way to the top.
    Next you will be wanting to use CAndian Tire workshops to do your own work. I say PISS OFF and go join Obama in his theft of private wealth.
  • Rick Allenberg | 13 Sep 2012, 06:54 PM Agree 0
    MLS belongs to Realtors. What part of trademark don't you get? Are we a socialist country that steal patents and trademarks?
    I hope TREB fights this all the way to the top.
    Next you will be wanting to use CAndian Tire workshops to do your own work. I say PISS OFF and go join Obama in his theft of private wealth.
  • john chow | 13 Sep 2012, 06:56 PM Agree 0
    MLS system is developed by Realtors. There is no govt funding or public collection involved. It is the property of a corporation funded solely by Realtors. If competition tribunal wants it, it can fund a public system. However, copying format & content will still violates laws.

    When someone selling a $500K property & crying approx $25K commission, what are they thinking? This money is divided between 2 parties. 2 Brokerages & 2 or more sales people. Further, NO ONE get Commission, UNTIL the property sale closes. Up until then Realtors commission is NOT guaranteed. You go figure this in any other industry!!

    I do hope this competition bureau have the backbone to stand up for average consumers for day to items from soap, Cereal, Milk, etc.... We Canadian consumers arebeing gouged every damn day by retailers... No Wonder many US Chains are discovering Us as a potential New Market!

    Competition Bureau can't help stabilize the electronics prices...

    Why not state that any retailer can not markup product more than certain % of cost?
  • Gary Grant | 13 Sep 2012, 07:05 PM Agree 0
    This is just for the record to all of those who are not familiar with the issues or those who just generally believe in unfettered access to real estate information. The Multiple Listing Service was developed by, paid for by, and is operated by licensed organized real estate representatives throughout the country. The Multiple Listing Service is not, repeat not, a public archive that everyone can have access to without specific permission (such as holding a real estate license). The system represents hundreds of millions of dollars which has been invested by organized real estate to assist them in the performance of their job. The system is an asset just the same as a building owned by a business is an asset. If the public wanted to occupy and enjoy unfettered use the Toronto Dominion office Towers, I doubt that would be allowed by the bank, and would probably lead to an ugly confrontation whereby the public occupiers would be removed. In the same fashion, the public is not, repeat not entitled to have access to the MLS systems throughout the country. They are privately owned by organized real estate and are not a public library. Some start up organizations believe otherwise... those who choose to use the internet as their basic means of transacting business, and therefore wish to provide the public with direct access to the information. In short, they have not invested one red cent to create the system nor pay for its ongoing costs of maintenance. They believe that it is everyone's God given right to see, use, and manipulate the system data in any way they choose. Not so... as I mentioned previously, the system and the data contained therein, is privately owned by organized real estate. And just so there is no confusion, (formerly called, which the public does have access to, is simply an advertising site for the public to browse which has been made available by organized real estate, and is not, I repeat NOT the Multiple Listing Service. I am a REALTOR(r) and proud of it. As a seasoned veteran for some 25 years, I have seen the good and the bad years, and I have not relied on the availability of any free gifts from anyone to make a living. There has been no such thing as unemployment insurance, group benefits, or work share programs . There is something to be said about just getting off your butt and working to make a living in this industry. Not everything should be handed to us "for free" as some may lead you to believe. Even unions collect dues from their members and invest in the necessary assets and infrastructure to run their organizations. Surely we are not about to make the assets and information of the unions accessible to the public at large... why then is organized real estate any different. Maybe because the profile of the industry is so high and those on the outside looking in believe that a fortune is to be made by simply getting access to the data. I think not!
  • Karen Scott | 13 Sep 2012, 07:12 PM Agree 0
    Mr. Living in Toronto.
    I believe that the "I want" Attitude should be kept to "Good Health, "Happy Family Life, "A roof Over my Head" and " Food on the Table".
    You perhaps don't know, that Most real estate boards, except for administration, Locally, Provincially and Canadian are run by VOLUNTEER Real Estate Agents giving their time to oversee all aspects of the business and ensuring the highest standards. They also lobby the Canadian Government on on behalf of the Candian People to stop policies that would cost the public unnessary money . Our dues pay for the Lawyers to make sure everything is legal. The public pays nothing, but now wants what we have paid to establish, run, and archive. This is OUR busness and I object that people think it's THEIR RIGHT to dictate to us for absolutely NOTHING. There are move unhappy families with law suits than ever since the Private For Sale Companies have come in. But you don't hear about them. WE DO and are helpless to come to their aid. It may be time that the Lawyers step in to give the public the REAL Story about what is happening because of the Competition Bureaus lack or understanding and respect for our industry.
    I've paid for 28 years, how many have you.
  • Rich | 13 Sep 2012, 08:28 PM Agree 0
    Our treb dues at work people!
  • Charles Z | 13 Sep 2012, 11:18 PM Agree 0
    If a client of the real estate industry pays for the information he/she should have the right to see everything that is not limited by confidentiality regulations.
  • albert vendittil | 14 Sep 2012, 01:10 AM Agree 0
    Dismantle the whole system, get rid of CREA, and have each board handle their own listings.
    Then we as realtors can decide how we share the info.

  • Brian Taylor | 14 Sep 2012, 02:31 AM Agree 0
    I just want my Realtor fees lowered if now else pays for info why should Realtors have to?
    I like that if it a..."free for all"

    love it,Brian Taylor
  • Gary Alvares | 14 Sep 2012, 02:34 AM Agree 0
    Way to go TREB!! Perhaps, we shud all contribute $100.00 each to retain competent counsel to sue CREA and its past President and Executive for effectively denying its 98,000 members their right to vote on the issue of allowing/not allowing "mere postings" and those "$1.00 commissions to co-operating brokerages" to be uploaded on the MLS, which WAS THE MEDIUM through which Realtors advertised/communicated listings to each other!! Now, CREA and the Competition Bureau, by their agreement, have turned this medium into an "electronic notice board" for the public!! Let's donate and go after them!!!
  • JoAnn | 14 Sep 2012, 05:21 AM Agree 0
    We have to protect our industry, our business & our clients. Keep up the good work TREB.
  • Anthony Godlewski | 14 Sep 2012, 02:24 PM Agree 0
    If discount firms are so good , WHY ARE THEY EMAILING ME AND TEXTING ME WITH THEIR STALE LISTINGS AND OFFERING ME 2.5% (full commission) OR BETTER TO BRING A BUYER AND SELL THE HOME FOR THEM !! THIS INCLUDES PROPERTY GUYS , PRIVATE SALE.COM , FREE SOMETHING OR OTHER ETC. ETC. ETC. Further more if the competition bureau insists on OUR data being shared , and manipulated by incompetent , fly by night , unethical , unlicenced , "business`s" , I think madame commissioner opens herself and the competition bureau up to one hell of a law suit down the road if data is corrupted and manipulated by one of these "business`s" to the point where someone is grieviously injured financially or even physically do to the realease of PRIVATE INFORMATION WHICH AFFECTS A CLIENT PERSONALLY . IE : " Single senior , no appointments after 8 PM , please make sure back door is closed properly , lock to be replaced . "
  • Jessica KH1 | 14 Sep 2012, 07:52 PM Agree 0
    Ok there David Pylyp. Let's send an email to all your clients and tell them to list as a "mere posting" on MLS with Realtysellers instead of with you as you obviously add no value. Why pay you 5% when they can list for $50. Oh wait, you have no clients. Probably because you are too busy talking crap on your YouTube videos and making ill-informed comments on forums such as these.
    Go attack the legal profession Pylyp - there are far mor abuses there!
  • Rex Jebamoney | 14 Sep 2012, 08:24 PM Agree 0
    Consumers rights cannot be denied. However MLS is owned by Licensed Realtors. If you like to serve the public, you are welcome to join the many realtors competing for business, and serve the Public Interest. I like to go on the North Bound lane on the DVD, whenI am stuck on the South Bound Lane. Could I appeal to to MTO to change the rules just for me!! MTO will be more sensible than the Tribula I guess.......RJ
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